You can always tell when it's December in college... Can you say, "freak out!"??
I'm a bit frustrated because a class of *adults* I teach at night are not getting the work done, and then emailing at the last minute to say, "I don't want to flunk this class." AAaaarrggghh!! The old "dog ate my homework" has been replaced with "my computer crashed." Do we need to spend an entire class period lecturing on the importance of backing up files and doing things far enough in advance that if something does go wrong, it's still not too late to pull a rabbit out of their hat? Can you *really* teach common sense?
My son in high school has these occasional lapses. Won't he grow out of that?
Just ranting. You can move along now... :D
I'm a bit frustrated because a class of *adults* I teach at night are not getting the work done, and then emailing at the last minute to say, "I don't want to flunk this class." AAaaarrggghh!! The old "dog ate my homework" has been replaced with "my computer crashed." Do we need to spend an entire class period lecturing on the importance of backing up files and doing things far enough in advance that if something does go wrong, it's still not too late to pull a rabbit out of their hat? Can you *really* teach common sense?
My son in high school has these occasional lapses. Won't he grow out of that?
Just ranting. You can move along now... :D
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Re: December frustrations, and with adult learners, too!
Wed, December 5, 2007 - 1:27 PMI totally get where you're coming from..... obviously this pattern of behavior has worked for these people on some level before, pity you have to be the one that bursts their collective bubbles!
I teach high school (math) and some kids take their final required course their senior year. Some kids think they'll pass "by magic" just because they're a senior.... then..... "by magic" I have a summer algebra 2 class half filled with very humbled and repentant summer graduates.
It irks me that some educators think they're doing a student a favor by changing an F+ to a D- (or a D+ to a C-) when they have missing assignments, haven't showed up for tutoring, or otherwise taken advantage of what has been offered to them.... grrrr.... <end rant> -
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Re: December frustrations, and with adult learners, too!
Wed, December 5, 2007 - 2:01 PM"It irks me that some educators think they're doing a student a favor by changing an F+ to a..."
Yes!! Exactly. It does harm, not good. And really, I want them to actually enjoy the class and take something away from it that will serve them for life. (If it ain't fun, don't do it, right? :D) But we have to wade past the administrative stuff before we can even think about the fun stuff...
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Re: December frustrations, and with adult learners, too!
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 2:18 PMDiane,
I too teach college. You may be interested in this article that I upload to my student resource website:
www.philosophicalturn.net/Misc_...ne.pdf
A colleague of mine gives the students a list of excuses for turning the paper in late; such as, “The printer ate it,” “My dog ate it,” “Martians ate it,” etc. Some of them are humorous. He tells them to just write the excuse number on the front of the paper and not waste his time reading e-mails or whatever. Of course he still docs them 10 points per day (not class period) late. I will not accept anything more than three days late; they can turn it in but it is an automatic zero after three days. They can’t do that shit in the corporate world (unless they are a CEO or upper management in some cases).
I too get frustrated with students. I had rampant cheating, technically, this semester. I realize it is because of my pedagogy. What I have noticed in relation to my students is that they are locked into the memorize-recall paradigm of learning. I utilize a KABs/Problem-solving pedagogy. This is education should increase knowledge (K), promote a positive attitude toward the subject (A), and be integrated into the learner's noetic structure (B). Knowledge occurs when the person is capable of utilizing the information (applying it) and not simply able to accurately regurgitate the information on demand.
Students, mine at least, can’t do the application part of learning. When they write their papers asking them to apply the course material to a novel example (we apply the material to multiple examples in class daily), all they are capable of doing is retyping the parts of their notes or passages from the textbook they think are relevant. They can’t apply that material to the new case. (This assessment style is called problem-solving transfer testing.) I had one student whose paper entirely consisted of “my preacher told me....” So sad! She was not even attempting to think for herself but was blindly accepting whatever some preacher told her.
I do not blame the students themselves for being locked into this passive paradigm of learning—where “learners” are viewed as sponges that passively absorb information and “information” is simply a transfer of ideas. This is the paradigm they were subject to in K-12 for the most part. Now they are being asked to think and apply the information not just write down everything said in class that they later study—memorize—and then recall on a test in the exact form in which it was originally given.
I am happy to report that even many of the students who fail the class leave with a greater positive attitude and appreciation for the subject matter. This means they realize that they may not have understood it but that they recognize its importance and appreciate its importance. -
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Re: December frustrations, and with adult learners, too!
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 5:31 PMKrampus, I read the entire article and loved it. I'm sending it to some friends of mine who also teach and some colleagues. Thanks. (Yeah, I remember a few years ago when the term "helicopter parents" first turned up, right along with the concept of "purchasing" a degree rather than earning it.)
I'd love to see that list of excuses!
I like your pedagogy a lot. I have a friend who teaches spanish language classes with the same goals. That is, they must learn to understand and be understood, regardless of whether the grammar or pronunciation is perfect. (That takes *years* to perfect... lots of time hearing things used in context... but it *is* possible to learn to communicate before perfection sets in!) In college courses this is not a difficult pedagogy to have. But in high school (he teaches both) he has to fight "the system" that wants to teach the way you describe, by rote memorization and regurgitation. The students learn to conjugate the verbs very well, and then memorize scads of vocab, but if you tried to talk to them in the target language, they clam up. Fear of getting something wrong and just plain lack of experience speaking in sentences keep them from fluency.
"Applying the course material to a novel example," as you put it, is exactly what students need to know how to do in the real world. It's the way you want to teach in your classes, it's the ONLY way I can teach my classes certainly, and it's the way my friend fights to teach his language classes, even in high school, bless his heart! I've encouraged him to start a movement (an uprising! ha!) in our K-12 system, and he *did* recently teach an "in service day" seminar in which he got lots of positive feedback from his colleagues. Good for him! -
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Re: December frustrations, and with adult learners, too!
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 9:49 PMI found this part above -
>What I have noticed in relation to my students is that they are locked into the memorize-recall paradigm of learning. I utilize a KABs/Problem-solving pedagogy. This is education should increase knowledge (K), promote a positive attitude toward the subject (A), and be integrated into the learner's noetic structure (B). Knowledge occurs when the person is capable of utilizing the information (applying it) and not simply able to accurately regurgitate the information on demand.
Students, mine at least, can’t do the application part of learning. When they write their papers asking them to apply the course material to a novel example (we apply the material to multiple examples in class daily), all they are capable of doing is retyping the parts of their notes or passages from the textbook they think are relevant. They can’t apply that material to the new case. (This assessment style is called problem-solving transfer testing.) I had one student whose paper entirely consisted of “my preacher told me....” So sad! She was not even attempting to think for herself but was blindly accepting whatever some preacher told her.
< - particularly interesting!
I saw this and realized it as a phenomenon in my school. And a few years ago set out to attack this "non-thinking" way of going through school. So many "A" students were just going through memorization techniques in school. And I taught Science!!!! I wanted my "A" students to resemble what I thought of as mastery... To be able to really apply Science concepts whenever I changed a stituation however slightly.
So, I began to give them practice tests that would include knowing a particular concept, then change the wording the next day on the "real" test. Could they still Ace it if they memorized the practice test.. Turns out that some could, and some could not!! But, throughout the year given the same scenario, the ones who doggedly kept trying to do well on my tests would come around to "real learning" and learn the ability to process the information and become a synthesizer of learning..
Here's the classe's website
animaldreams.net/school/student.html
Have a look at the 8th grade test:
animaldreams.net/school/3r...oquiz2.doc
Then, notice the changes to the test on this student's example we used when we went over the completed tests the next day:
animaldreams.net/school/3r...moquiz.jpg
animaldreams.net/school/3r...oquiz2.jpg
animaldreams.net/school/3r...oquiz3.jpg
animaldreams.net/school/3r...oquiz4.jpg
animaldreams.net/school/3r...oquiz5.jpg
Dave
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